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-- anti-obama. but i think that there has to be a sort of allowance. i am not putting this just on the tea party. you get these ideological purists who want all or nothing. that is just not the way the country works. so i think you have to find middle ground. charles: i have to tell you something. the sort of campaign that i have seen against the tea party, which by the way grew out of the t.a.r.p. situationn it goes beyond someone being to anti-obama. st this week, tim burton said that he has been to tea party rallies and he has heard the n-word spread around. this is a relentless campaign to put people in their place. it seems to me to be totally unfounded and totally unfair. >> i agree with that. i think people go looking to find something to discredit them. and author of "the new york times" wrote a book about the tea party. "the new york times" is not super conservative, and she found what you said. these are not people who are racist. they are not uneducated people that the media likes of reti
-- anti-obama. but i think that there has to be a sort of allowance. i am not putting this just on the tea party. you get these ideological purists who want all or nothing. that is just not the way the country works. so i think you have to find middle ground. charles: i have to tell you something. the sort of campaign that i have seen against the tea party, which by the way grew out of the t.a.r.p. situationn it goes beyond someone being to anti-obama. st this week, tim burton said that he has...
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at the end of the day president obama is selling a very simple message. i want to keep taxes low for middle class americans and republicans, i'm worried, are in the position of looking as if they don't care about the middle class and want to keep tax rates low for wealthy americans. >> one of the things that struck me in my interview with tim geithner, the republicans were a little unclear. he said the bush tax rates had to go up but not all the way up and geithner said they had do have to go up to 39.6%. >> i still think the white house is willing to settle for something in the middle there above the bush tax rate but maybe not all the way back up to clinton, maybe not 250 and above, maybe 500. i think there are moving parts there. i think he says in every speech he goes out there and gives the hard line message to the base i'm not going to be the woos you thought i was last time. he says i want to compromise and we all have to get out of our comfort zone. i want a deal. >> and republican senate leader machine mcconnell added another wrinkle to this afte
at the end of the day president obama is selling a very simple message. i want to keep taxes low for middle class americans and republicans, i'm worried, are in the position of looking as if they don't care about the middle class and want to keep tax rates low for wealthy americans. >> one of the things that struck me in my interview with tim geithner, the republicans were a little unclear. he said the bush tax rates had to go up but not all the way up and geithner said they had do have...
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and the obama administration just started ramping up prosecutions of this. this is unusual for me. >> yeah. do you agree, goldie? >> i do, except heroin is making a comeback and that's really unfortunate. but do i think the legalization of marijuana will increase its usage, i don't. people who want to partake, are already partaking. so i think that we ought to just remove the gloves, let people do what they want to do in the privacy of their own homes. free up our police to direct their things to things that are much more important. these people aren't going to get in the car and drive. hell, they can't even kind their far keys after a good joint. so the issue really is about criminalizing things and making a pathway for our young boys, chiefly boys, from the high school straight to prison. that pipeline is as straight as it's ever been. >> krystal, another change versus just a few years ago, same-sex marriage. here are the nine states plus d.c. where it is legal, another five states allow civil unions. you can see them there. poll numbers show it's growing
and the obama administration just started ramping up prosecutions of this. this is unusual for me. >> yeah. do you agree, goldie? >> i do, except heroin is making a comeback and that's really unfortunate. but do i think the legalization of marijuana will increase its usage, i don't. people who want to partake, are already partaking. so i think that we ought to just remove the gloves, let people do what they want to do in the privacy of their own homes. free up our police to direct...
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obama care architect dr. zeke manual joins me to talk about what will happen if the parties don't come to a deal. want to try to crack it? yeah, that's the way to do it! now we need a little bit more... [ male announcer ] at humana, we understand the value of quality time and personal attention. which is why we are proud to partner with health care professionals who understand the difference that quality time with our members can make... that's a very nice cake! ohh! [ giggles ] [ male announcer ] humana thanks the physicians, nurses, hospitals, pharmacists and other health professionals who helped us achieve the highest average star rating among national medicare companies... and become the first and only national medicare advantage company to achieve a 5-star rating for a medicare plan... your efforts result in the quality of care and service we're able to provide... which means better health outcomes... and more quality time to share with the ones who matter most. i love you, grandma! [ male announcer ] hu
obama care architect dr. zeke manual joins me to talk about what will happen if the parties don't come to a deal. want to try to crack it? yeah, that's the way to do it! now we need a little bit more... [ male announcer ] at humana, we understand the value of quality time and personal attention. which is why we are proud to partner with health care professionals who understand the difference that quality time with our members can make... that's a very nice cake! ohh! [ giggles ] [ male...
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president obama faces the prospect of assembling a whole new national security team. a closer look who could fill the top post and a preview of the controversies to come next. and we can save you 10% on ground shipping over the ups store. look this isn't my first christmas. these deals all seem great at the time... but later, not so much. this isn't that kind of deal. [ male announcer ] break from the holiday stress. save on ground shipping at fedex office. anyone have occasional constipation, diarrhea, gas, bloating? yeah. one phillips' colon health probiotic cap each day helps defend against these digestive issues with three strains of good bacteria. approved! [ female announcer ] live the regular life. phillips'. . . >> jamie: susan rice has done a great job as our be ambassador to the united nations. and of course, this decision about my successor is up to the president. >> paul: and the secretary of state hillary clinton reacting to talk to president obama may nominate u.n. ambassador susan rice to replace her. rice made the rounds on capitol hill on tuesday in a
president obama faces the prospect of assembling a whole new national security team. a closer look who could fill the top post and a preview of the controversies to come next. and we can save you 10% on ground shipping over the ups store. look this isn't my first christmas. these deals all seem great at the time... but later, not so much. this isn't that kind of deal. [ male announcer ] break from the holiday stress. save on ground shipping at fedex office. anyone have occasional constipation,...
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they are becoming enablering of obama -- they are becoming enablers obama is spending us into oblivion. stuart: if john boehner takes any questions, we will go back to it. we're going to concentrate on speaker boehner because he's the principal negotiator. i didn't make much of that and i don't think you did either. >> i was disappointed he didn't make a counteroffer or didn't say here's what we will do, here's what we will never do. stuart: should he be negotiating in front of the cameras? >> the president does it. stuart: what you are saying is do not cave on anything. right? i mean that's your position. >> not anything substantial. obviously you can compromise on things that are not substantial, but new taxes, new borrowing and new spending, that's substantial. stuart: would you be prepared to see republicans take the blame and they will get the blame if we fail to get an agreement and we go into recession? >> well, if they know how to deal with this properly, they so-called fiscal cliff is a piece of legislation, enacted by a republican house, a democratic senate and signed by a de
they are becoming enablering of obama -- they are becoming enablers obama is spending us into oblivion. stuart: if john boehner takes any questions, we will go back to it. we're going to concentrate on speaker boehner because he's the principal negotiator. i didn't make much of that and i don't think you did either. >> i was disappointed he didn't make a counteroffer or didn't say here's what we will do, here's what we will never do. stuart: should he be negotiating in front of the...
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comes down to john boehner and president obama. i will reed an excerpt from pegeny noonan in the "wall street journal" would disagree with melissa this is not the old-school politic s yore. beggy writes -- when fire logs burned without fire starters and apple pies were baked in everybody's home. >> not sold in costco. >> if only everything could be like ronald reagan. >> and tip o'neill. >> the thing is, and i think it is true that -- i know peggy noonan likes the grand er and everything grand, but the senate isn't so relevant. this being a budget and tax bill they can do reconciliation. this is a house problem. the difference is that tip o'neill actually had influence with his caucus. john boehner has precious influence with the part of his caucus the most recalcitrant on these issues. in the current lame duck congress john boehner still has the same problem, resistant people who will not go along with a deal so the question is, whether or not he can deliver even the 20 or 25 votes he needs if pelosi did what she always does and d
comes down to john boehner and president obama. i will reed an excerpt from pegeny noonan in the "wall street journal" would disagree with melissa this is not the old-school politic s yore. beggy writes -- when fire logs burned without fire starters and apple pies were baked in everybody's home. >> not sold in costco. >> if only everything could be like ronald reagan. >> and tip o'neill. >> the thing is, and i think it is true that -- i know peggy noonan likes...
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neil: donald trum obama supporter. neil: maybe not. the donald, just tweeting this. i am happy to hear that president obama is considering giving an ambassadorship, a winner, and really smart. former ambassador to united nations john bolton said that money could payoff for her, this is just weird. on so many levels if she is ambassador. donald trump supporting it. that is not a shocker but just, says and the speaks of time how weird the ambassadorships are doled out. >> major campaign contributors have gotten ambassadorships for years. neil: on both sides. >> obama administration has put more political ambassadors in than prior republican administrations. now is that good or bad? it is good. the political ambassadors have a direct connection with the president, in countries where they are acredited, if they say, this is what the president wants that is believable. and their loyalty is to the president not state department. and they care a lot in my experience about making sure that president's policies are carriee out. and third, and look -- >> would see? >> no anna
neil: donald trum obama supporter. neil: maybe not. the donald, just tweeting this. i am happy to hear that president obama is considering giving an ambassadorship, a winner, and really smart. former ambassador to united nations john bolton said that money could payoff for her, this is just weird. on so many levels if she is ambassador. donald trump supporting it. that is not a shocker but just, says and the speaks of time how weird the ambassadorships are doled out. >> major campaign...
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president obama standing his ground. >> we're going to have to say the rates on the top 2% go up and we're not going to be able to get a deal without it. >> he's been consistent on that but no one's talking right now, not a phone call or an e-mail and i'm not talking about just between the president and the speaker. nothing between their staffers, who are negotiating this deal yesterday. and john boehner is getting squeezed from both sides. now on the right he's taking heat over his propoesal that would raise $800 billion in revenue closing loopholes. on the left the white house won't talk to him until he agrees to raise rates. senate minority leader mitch mcconnell didn't support speaker boehner's plan. >> i have no particular observation other than i commend the house republican leadership for trying to move the process along, and getting to a point where hopefully we can have a real discussion. >> i want to bring in "time" magazine's assistant editor and "national journal"'s chris freitz. does this come down to john boehner and what he's willing to do? >> i think what we've been s
president obama standing his ground. >> we're going to have to say the rates on the top 2% go up and we're not going to be able to get a deal without it. >> he's been consistent on that but no one's talking right now, not a phone call or an e-mail and i'm not talking about just between the president and the speaker. nothing between their staffers, who are negotiating this deal yesterday. and john boehner is getting squeezed from both sides. now on the right he's taking heat over his...
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another bailout from president obama. that is what some in detroit say they deserve for helping reelect their commander-in-chief. the city on the brink of financial collapse and will soon lay off thousands of city workers to pay off bills. the total outstanding debt is more than a billion dollars. that is according to moody's investor services. joann watson, city councilmember, her comments are sparking controversy. she claims the president owes the city another bailout because they voted them into office. >> he went to washington dc and he came back home with some bacon. that is what you do. that is what you do. are people overwhelmingly supported him in the election. not just that, but why not? gerri: quid pro quo, bring home the bacon. very controversial. we are going to have one out in just a moment. but first, it could be a day of reckoning lawmakers in michigan considering changing the status to a right to work state, giving workers the freedom to opt out of paying union dues. we have the labor policy director for t
another bailout from president obama. that is what some in detroit say they deserve for helping reelect their commander-in-chief. the city on the brink of financial collapse and will soon lay off thousands of city workers to pay off bills. the total outstanding debt is more than a billion dollars. that is according to moody's investor services. joann watson, city councilmember, her comments are sparking controversy. she claims the president owes the city another bailout because they voted them...
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almost all of them agree the obama approach is the right approach. increasing the rates on the wealthy will have no impact on job creation or gdp growth. >> professor dyson, we found out today that the austerity budgets used in the eurozone have sent employment to record highs. unemployment in spain is at 25%. unemployment in greece, 25%. how is it possible speaker boehner comes out and promotes paul ryan's budget for 2011 and 2012 as somehow the answer to our fiscal problems? >> i mean, this is the indication that i'm afraid that they're stuck in the mud attitude and their ostrich-like oblivion to what's going on in the real world will lead to disastrous consequences. i hope my good friend julian epstein is right crunching those numbers. the cbo, the cds, they're going to cbs even to check out the apoth carries to find out what they're prognosticating. these people are insensitive to the critical claims of the electorate and the voter out here, the population out here that says, look, we're tired of this. we're tired of this mangling the record of o
almost all of them agree the obama approach is the right approach. increasing the rates on the wealthy will have no impact on job creation or gdp growth. >> professor dyson, we found out today that the austerity budgets used in the eurozone have sent employment to record highs. unemployment in spain is at 25%. unemployment in greece, 25%. how is it possible speaker boehner comes out and promotes paul ryan's budget for 2011 and 2012 as somehow the answer to our fiscal problems? >> i...
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that same year president obama signed a new stark treatment. an agreement between united states and russia to reduce the number of nuclear weapons in each country's arsenal. he called that his top national security priority and he got the senate to ratify it. it's hard to put a bigger exclamation point on a policy than the way he's talked about nuclear disarmament. and counterproliferation. keeping the world safe not just from nuclear weapons, but nuclear material falling into the wrong hands. it's still this underappreciated it thing about what is important to him. and also how long it's been important to him. today president obama underscored how seriously he's taken this issue from the beginning of his career in a speech praising in part republican richard lugar's work on nuclear weapons and nuclear material as senator lugar prepares to leave washington after decades. >> it was dick who took me on my first foreign trip as a senator to russia and ukraine. i remember walking through one facility. i started leaning in for a closer look and one
that same year president obama signed a new stark treatment. an agreement between united states and russia to reduce the number of nuclear weapons in each country's arsenal. he called that his top national security priority and he got the senate to ratify it. it's hard to put a bigger exclamation point on a policy than the way he's talked about nuclear disarmament. and counterproliferation. keeping the world safe not just from nuclear weapons, but nuclear material falling into the wrong hands....
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obama's fingerprints on a deal this year. if mr. obama won't agree to these demin muss reforms republicans should let mr. obama own the debt crisis he has done so much to create. conservative commentator bill crystal says they're making a dangerous gamble. >> republicans are at risk in my view now of looking like they're defending, keeping the current tax rates for the wealthy. end of the day president obama is selling a simple message, i want to keep taxes low for middle-class americans and republicans look like -- i'm worried are in the position offiof ing -- looking as fe the don't care about middle class. >> joining us is the sage of capitol hill, boat shoe enthusiast and celebrity doppelganger, nbc's luke russert. >> good day. happy monday. >> thank you, luke. it's an exciting time on capitol hill my friend. i want to focus first on the gop. is the party coming together, coalescing around something, anything, relating to the fiscal cliff? >> well, i think they're coalescing around anything it's for speaker boehner to continue t
obama's fingerprints on a deal this year. if mr. obama won't agree to these demin muss reforms republicans should let mr. obama own the debt crisis he has done so much to create. conservative commentator bill crystal says they're making a dangerous gamble. >> republicans are at risk in my view now of looking like they're defending, keeping the current tax rates for the wealthy. end of the day president obama is selling a simple message, i want to keep taxes low for middle-class americans...
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this is why president obama is playing to his strengths. the president has never had a problem rallying the american people to his side. >> understand this was a central question in the election. maybe thee central question in the election. we talked about this a lot. >> republicans are furious because they can't control this conversation. americans know where they stand on tax fairness and republicans are on the losing end. it's been a rough week. get your cell phones out. tonight's question, who has the upper hand in the fiscal cliff negotiations at this point? text a for president obama and b for the republicans to 622639. you can go to our blog and leave a comment. we encourage you to do that. i'm joined tonight by sam stein, political reporter for "the huffington post." don't you dare give me a hard time about the packers. who is winning the conversation with the american people? what kind of week was it on the hill? >> you can say the president is winning this conversation at this junction. these things change. a lot of this is postur
this is why president obama is playing to his strengths. the president has never had a problem rallying the american people to his side. >> understand this was a central question in the election. maybe thee central question in the election. we talked about this a lot. >> republicans are furious because they can't control this conversation. americans know where they stand on tax fairness and republicans are on the losing end. it's been a rough week. get your cell phones out....
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back then, barack obama believed that lowering rates was good for the economy. dagen and connell, it is yours. connell: the war on wealth is where we begin today. dagen: get the government out of the markets. connell: the devil wears -- becoming our next ambassador to britain. dagen: holiday travelers paying up. the average ticket price topping $450. connell: everyone needs a few days off. it is the top of the hour. we will go to nicole petallides. good morning. nicole: good morning. let's take a look at what is going on here. let's take a look at jardin restaurants. it turns out they are not meeting the analyst expectations. let's take a look at the stock. it is near its lows of he day. their earnings will miss the analyst estimates. same-store sales dropping 3.2%. as a result, sales have diminished. how about the major market averages? the dow is higher, but the s&p and the nasdaq are lower. dagen: republicans finally pulling off their own plan to deal with the fiscal cliff. connell: the white house predictably saying, no deal. the parameters are there now. we
back then, barack obama believed that lowering rates was good for the economy. dagen and connell, it is yours. connell: the war on wealth is where we begin today. dagen: get the government out of the markets. connell: the devil wears -- becoming our next ambassador to britain. dagen: holiday travelers paying up. the average ticket price topping $450. connell: everyone needs a few days off. it is the top of the hour. we will go to nicole petallides. good morning. nicole: good morning. let's take...
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test. >>> in the fiscal battle with democrats and the obama white house. first read then asks, what does a smart poker player usually do when holding a bad hand? you fold to live another day. nbc news senior political editor mark murray, a gambler as i hear. you're a texan. we all gamble. what would be the next logical hand? because it seems today a lot of republicans are saying let's get the bush tax cut issue dealt with and then wait until next year and would that be something that the democrats and the president would embrace? >> well, this is all about gaining maximum leverage and the better leverage of republicans right now to delay the bigger battle in to february when the debt ceiling would have to be increased. as youç mentioned, essentially acquiesing to the democrats and the white house for those making $250,000 and less and let's have the bigger battle when it comes to raising the debt ceiling. president obama essentially today said he's not willing to play that game. noting what happened in 2011 with the u.s. hurting its credit rating, just t
test. >>> in the fiscal battle with democrats and the obama white house. first read then asks, what does a smart poker player usually do when holding a bad hand? you fold to live another day. nbc news senior political editor mark murray, a gambler as i hear. you're a texan. we all gamble. what would be the next logical hand? because it seems today a lot of republicans are saying let's get the bush tax cut issue dealt with and then wait until next year and would that be something that...
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he was the lead dog about going after obama care. well, that didn't work. there was no waterloo. he is somewhat scarred national live now as far as being legislatively inept because he can't work with anybody over on the left or in the center. he is so ideologically bent, i think the heritage foundation is going to be a good home for him and could be a good come back for conservatives because they're in disarray right now. >> you can watch "the ed show" every night at 8:00 p.m. the front page of "the huffington post," "tax me, please please." the seattle times says "license to marry, it's official," more than 200 lbg koups celebrati-- celebrating as they became the first in washington to get same-sex marriage licenses. >> and salon.com getting a little silly and salacious with the world's worst online daters. it looks at the often inappropriate self-portraits that men post on online dating sites. americans are always ready to work hard for a better future. since ameriprise financial was founded back in 1894, they've been committed to putting clients first. helping generations thr
he was the lead dog about going after obama care. well, that didn't work. there was no waterloo. he is somewhat scarred national live now as far as being legislatively inept because he can't work with anybody over on the left or in the center. he is so ideologically bent, i think the heritage foundation is going to be a good home for him and could be a good come back for conservatives because they're in disarray right now. >> you can watch "the ed show" every night at 8:00 p.m....
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president obama rejected the latest proposal from john boehner. the president and the democrats are focused on revenue and they are determined to make sure that the top tax rates go up. >> unfortunately, the speak er' proposal right now is still out of balance. he talks, for example, about $800 billion worth of revenues, but he says he's going to do that by lowering rates. when you look at the math, it doesn't work. >> harry reid wasted no time explaining why the boehner proposal is not serious. >> math. you can't get from here to there unless you raise the rates. that's why romney couldn't explain it during the presidential election. no one can explain it because you can't do it. >> jay carney says the speaker's plans raises more questions than answers. >> we don't know who pays. we don't know what we're talking about in terms of actual legislation to increase revenues. it's magic beans and ferry dust. >> john boehner's heavy-handed approach to leadership, boehner and the republican steering committee kicked four republican congressmen out of the
president obama rejected the latest proposal from john boehner. the president and the democrats are focused on revenue and they are determined to make sure that the top tax rates go up. >> unfortunately, the speak er' proposal right now is still out of balance. he talks, for example, about $800 billion worth of revenues, but he says he's going to do that by lowering rates. when you look at the math, it doesn't work. >> harry reid wasted no time explaining why the boehner proposal is...
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this afternoon president obama's fiscal photo-op off the day takes him to the suburban home of a middle class families in virginia, one of the thousands who responded to the white house's hash tag campaign, all of this happen being as a new poll comes out showing that when it comes to who americans trust more on the fiscal crisis, it's a democratic blowout. 56% say they trust the president and the democrats to make a good faith effort to cooperate with republicans. 51% say republicans won't act in good faith. and a whopping 65% support higher taxes on households making more than $250,000 a year. perhaps knowing this, the administration is talking with a little more political swagger. treasury secretary tim geithner drawing another hard line in the sand in this interview with cnbc. >> when it comes to raising taxes on the wealthy, those making more than $250,000, if republicans do not agree to that, is the administration prepared to go over the fiscal cliff? >> absolutely. again, there's no prospect to an agreement that doesn't involve those rates going up on the top 2% of the wealthiest
this afternoon president obama's fiscal photo-op off the day takes him to the suburban home of a middle class families in virginia, one of the thousands who responded to the white house's hash tag campaign, all of this happen being as a new poll comes out showing that when it comes to who americans trust more on the fiscal crisis, it's a democratic blowout. 56% say they trust the president and the democrats to make a good faith effort to cooperate with republicans. 51% say republicans won't act...
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and "the wall street journal," obama's cliff offer spurned. i want to bring in joanne reed and molly ball, political reporter for "the atlantic." good to see both of you. good morning. >> good to be here. >> mitch mcconnell, we are told, literally laughed at the white house's offer. and if you listen to speaker boehner, it's not going very well. take a listen. >> i'm disappointed in where we are and disappointed in what's happened over the last couple of weeks. but going over the fiscal cliff is serious business. and i'm here seriously trying to resolve it. and i would hope the white house would get serious as well. >> and the speaker tweeted, "how serious is the white house about avoiding the fiscal cliff?" reports suggest, in some cases, not so serious. and also, joanne, what is the strategy here, and is there a risk like looking like you're not really negotiating? >> well, you know, i think what's interesting is that there's the posture that everyone is taking in public, but then what you're hearing behind the scenes is that everyone's sort
and "the wall street journal," obama's cliff offer spurned. i want to bring in joanne reed and molly ball, political reporter for "the atlantic." good to see both of you. good morning. >> good to be here. >> mitch mcconnell, we are told, literally laughed at the white house's offer. and if you listen to speaker boehner, it's not going very well. take a listen. >> i'm disappointed in where we are and disappointed in what's happened over the last couple of...
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there's no question the economy is coming back with president obama in charge. and there's one more thing we need to set the record straight on and that is -- >> my dad was head of a car company. i like american cars. i would do nothing to hurt the u.s. auto industry. >> nothing. the car lover is now driving a brand new audi q7. is that it? romney is spotted in san diego climbing into this brand new $46,000 ride? the q7 is made in slovakia. the economy is on the road to recovery. let's bring in sam stein, reporter for "the huffington post." there's so much evidence that the republicans had the wrong narrative during the election. they have the wrong narrative right now. this should be really a boom for the democrats right now in the conversation world, shouldn't it? >> yeah, like you mentioned, consumer confidence is growing. the wind is at the president's back with respect to how people perceived the economy. the factor here is what happens if, for instance, in the process of these negotiations, consumer confidence dips. people feel like they are troubled by in
there's no question the economy is coming back with president obama in charge. and there's one more thing we need to set the record straight on and that is -- >> my dad was head of a car company. i like american cars. i would do nothing to hurt the u.s. auto industry. >> nothing. the car lover is now driving a brand new audi q7. is that it? romney is spotted in san diego climbing into this brand new $46,000 ride? the q7 is made in slovakia. the economy is on the road to recovery....
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>> compared to what obama's talking about, the fiscal cliff might be better because obama not only wants soak the rich tax increases that would automatically happen, he then wants additional taxes on top of that would be very bad for american competitiveness. we don't want to send jobs to china and india but almost as if obama wants to do that. at least if we went over the cliff, we would get the sequester, which is the budget wonk term for automatic reductions in the growth of spending. melissa: absolutely but i'm not sure republicans are giving in as much as you think. if you drill down on the details, as soon as i saw 800 billion in new tax revenue, my immediate question did they give on the point of marginal rates and from the language it doesn't look like. more a tax code basically closes loopholes. they employ all the euphemisms to say you will get rid of deductions. sounds like that is where the 800 billion in new revenue is coming from. they didn't give on marginal rates at all. >> that is good news but only good news in the sense we're not traveling as fast in the wrong directio
>> compared to what obama's talking about, the fiscal cliff might be better because obama not only wants soak the rich tax increases that would automatically happen, he then wants additional taxes on top of that would be very bad for american competitiveness. we don't want to send jobs to china and india but almost as if obama wants to do that. at least if we went over the cliff, we would get the sequester, which is the budget wonk term for automatic reductions in the growth of spending....
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been perhaps the sharpest critic of barack obama since then. so i don't see them as emerging as very close friends. the second point -- >> in modern times, mitt has not returned to washington for a job. so mitt romney went home whereas other presidential losers have gone back to d.c. to go back to work like a mccain. >> i agree, but it doesn't necessarily mean -- i'm not sure the lunch will help the relationship. it seems to have been worse after the election than before in some ways. the other thing is it would be useful for obama if mitt romney had any pull with actual rops. it's not clear to me if mitt romney endorsed the fiscal cliff deal whether that would make any difference with a sorry. republicans don't really care what mitt romney thinks at this point. so i'm not sure if he has any pull that will make a difference after this meeting even if he and barack obama do become allies. >> do you have expectations? >> it may be a case of keep your trends close and your enemies closer. but at the end of the day, this was a tough race and these
been perhaps the sharpest critic of barack obama since then. so i don't see them as emerging as very close friends. the second point -- >> in modern times, mitt has not returned to washington for a job. so mitt romney went home whereas other presidential losers have gone back to d.c. to go back to work like a mccain. >> i agree, but it doesn't necessarily mean -- i'm not sure the lunch will help the relationship. it seems to have been worse after the election than before in some...
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you have to listen to each other. >> greta: where is president obama today? he was not in washington. he was at a toy factory in pennsylvania. to many he seems to be back on the campaign trail, campaigning for his fiscal ideas. governor palin, speaker gingrich who has battled with president clinton on big issues says you have to sit down in the same room, this is being outsourced. how do we get these parties to talk? >> speaker gingrich knew then as he knows now, the house of representatives has great power because they hold the purse springs they can unfund many of the things that are the -- pursestrings they can unfund many of the things. speaker gingrich knows they don't have to concede and capitulate they can be at the table and exert the authority they have the power they have that the people just gave them by reelecting republicans, conservatives, in the house, holding the pursestrings saying no more of this reckless, irresponsible spending from the white house. we want to rein it in. that is i believe what he meant by saying we have to both sit at the
you have to listen to each other. >> greta: where is president obama today? he was not in washington. he was at a toy factory in pennsylvania. to many he seems to be back on the campaign trail, campaigning for his fiscal ideas. governor palin, speaker gingrich who has battled with president clinton on big issues says you have to sit down in the same room, this is being outsourced. how do we get these parties to talk? >> speaker gingrich knew then as he knows now, the house of...
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>> i hope not, certainly if it's not left up to president obama and congressional democrats. president obama proposed $4 trillion in deficit reduction, he has a balanced approach to take care of the middle class and that they have the certainty that they need that we make spending cuts that are significant, that make sense, and that we maintain the things that are going to keep us competitive globally like the central funding for education and innovation, and at the same time we also make sure we ask wealthiest americans to pay a little bit more and when it comes to our tax policy that if you work hard and play by the rules in america that everybody has a chance to succeed and that's why you've seen ceos from across the country sign on to that notion, with president obama, saying it's okay if we raise rates a little bit for folks who make more than $250,000 a year. the world is not going to come to an end. there are republican and conservative analysts and thought leaders like bill kristol who have said that. why the republicans in the house who really are still very entrench
>> i hope not, certainly if it's not left up to president obama and congressional democrats. president obama proposed $4 trillion in deficit reduction, he has a balanced approach to take care of the middle class and that they have the certainty that they need that we make spending cuts that are significant, that make sense, and that we maintain the things that are going to keep us competitive globally like the central funding for education and innovation, and at the same time we also make...
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because obama overplayed his hand. he's doing it again. just as he did in 2008. he thought the country had given him a blank sheet of paper to work on. he did the stimulus spending. he went from 70% support down to below 50% and lost the house. now he gets re-elected with less strength, not against a war hero but a guy from massachusetts, and the republicans have the house and he thinks somebody made him king and he's going to have more taxes, more spending, and more regulations. it's a real problem for him. he doesn't have the mandate he thinks he does. so i think he takes us over the cliff because he doesn't -- he's got blinders on. he doesn't see where he stands in the universe. >> okay. there are a couple things to unpack here. i want to go back to this question -- i think what i'm confused about is this kind of game of smoke and mirrors that seems to be playing out on the right. and i ask you again, is closing a loophole and ending a deduction the same thing as raising taxes? >> you have to look at the whole package. i mean i would think if you're going to -
because obama overplayed his hand. he's doing it again. just as he did in 2008. he thought the country had given him a blank sheet of paper to work on. he did the stimulus spending. he went from 70% support down to below 50% and lost the house. now he gets re-elected with less strength, not against a war hero but a guy from massachusetts, and the republicans have the house and he thinks somebody made him king and he's going to have more taxes, more spending, and more regulations. it's a real...
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economists are with obama on this issue. obama campaigned on tax fairness, won on tax fairness. the public is with him. the third point ron didn't respond to, it is a matter of fact republicans have paraded for the last -- since anybody can remember as the party that wants to rein in government spend çpentagon. austerity regiment is a republican idea. when it comes time to put the your money where the mouth is, republicans are unable to identify significant cuts other than play on the margins? it makes my central point which is the tea party movement, which are the inmates in control of the asylum and republican party right now is an intellectually bankrupt movement. there is time to show the cuts and they can't do it. >> can i very quickly -- >> that was a psychiatric reference there, martin. you didn't cut him off on that. in fairness -- >> i just want to quickly say, in 2002 dick cheney said deficits don't matter. when republicans crammed through the bush tax cuts of 2001 and 2003 through reconciliation, they wrote them to expire. they are the ones who made them expire and
economists are with obama on this issue. obama campaigned on tax fairness, won on tax fairness. the public is with him. the third point ron didn't respond to, it is a matter of fact republicans have paraded for the last -- since anybody can remember as the party that wants to rein in government spend çpentagon. austerity regiment is a republican idea. when it comes time to put the your money where the mouth is, republicans are unable to identify significant cuts other than play on the...
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obama care. >> if we're able to stop obama on this, it will be his waterloo. it will break him and we will show that we can, along with the american people, begin to push those freedom solutions that work in every area of our society. >> and demint is an outspoken opponent of labor unions and workers rights. >> i don't believe collective bargaining has any place in government. >> including at a federal level? >> including at the federal level. that's what elections are. collective bargaining. >> house democratic leader nancy pelosi pointed out jim demint was one of the ringleaders in voting down the u.n. treaty for people with disabilities this week. >> that was one of the saddest days, so anyone who was a party to that, well, i wish them well wherever they are going and hope that we can have more of our values represented there. >> it was demint and his tea party allies who pushed the country to the brink of default back in 2011. this is what demint told abc news about republicans who tried to s
obama care. >> if we're able to stop obama on this, it will be his waterloo. it will break him and we will show that we can, along with the american people, begin to push those freedom solutions that work in every area of our society. >> and demint is an outspoken opponent of labor unions and workers rights. >> i don't believe collective bargaining has any place in government. >> including at a federal level? >> including at the federal level. that's what elections...
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president obama doesn't want to talk about spending cuts. congressman aaron schaak is on the house, ways and means committee. good evening, sir. >> good evening. >> what about the spending cuts? >> the president made is very clear during his campaign he wanted a balanced approach. he talked repeatedly about raising taxes on the wealthy. he continues to talk about raising tax on the well think. >> the tax rate. >> right, the tax rates on the well think and beyond raising taxes on the well think, tax rates on the well think, he said he wanted a balanced approach etch said during the campaign he wanted $2.50 in cuts for every $1.50 in revenue. yet you saw the only proposal come from him sense the election was four dollars in revenue for one dollar in cuts. it was $1.6 trillion in revenue and $400 trillion in cuts and $300 trillion in additional stimulus spending in addition to that. but completely the opposite in cracks to his own campaign pledge. what we've been trying to do, greta, is hold his feet to the fire and say speaker bain wares clear
president obama doesn't want to talk about spending cuts. congressman aaron schaak is on the house, ways and means committee. good evening, sir. >> good evening. >> what about the spending cuts? >> the president made is very clear during his campaign he wanted a balanced approach. he talked repeatedly about raising taxes on the wealthy. he continues to talk about raising tax on the well think. >> the tax rate. >> right, the tax rates on the well think and beyond...
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do you agree president obama's ultimatum on higher taxes are actually the cause? make him responsible for driving us off the fiscal cliff? go to our to be page at facebook facebook.com/loudobbs. we'll have results at the end. chris and steven joining us here next to address th question and more. you know, from our 4,000 television commercials. yep, there i am with flo. hoo-hoo! watch it! [chuckles] anyhoo, 3 million people switched to me last year, saving an average of $475. yeah, i'm kind of a big deal. [sigh] it feels good to help people save... with great discounts like safe driver, multicar, and multipolicy. 731, 732... you want my number, don't you? call 1-800-progressive right now. or visit progressive.com for an extra $50 online savings. thirsty? 'cause i got a six-pack right here. oh, yeah... [voice shaking] you don't even have to wait for your policy to expire to switch. oh, svetlana, that's so good! and, with every policy, you get great service. a-down the hizz-atch. [slurp!] so call me today. you'll be glad you did. cannonbox! [splash!] lou: house minor
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the current president, president obama, put a stop to that right when he took office. we do not do that anymore. some things we stop doing. some things that we were told, yeah, maybe this is unprecedented, maybe this doesn't seem like the thing america does, but we have to do it. some of those things from the past decade are things that we have stopped doing. that said, some of the things we still are doing are still pretty hard to get your head around. we're still fighting the longest war in u.s. history and it apparently still has two-plus years on the clock unless the president speeds up his withdrawal plan. it's the longest war in u.s. history. at the same time as another one of the longest wars in u.s. history. if you told anybody in advance of that plan that that's how our country would spend the first decade plus of the 21st century, you would have been laughed at. before we started doing it, you could not have convinced anyone that after we closed our secret prisons in places like romania, and poland, we would still keep one offshore prison in a nearby communis
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if it happened that way in 2010, if we take the senate, obama will then see the light. if you hold his feet to the fire they will feel the heat and see the light. i hope that is how it happens. >>neil: we will see what happens. do you see these? they will ruin your christmas all because unions are not budging and this stuff keeps happening, the "ship" is really going to hit the fan. [ male announcer ] kids grow up in no time... marie callender's turkey breast with stuffing is a great reason to slow down. creamy mash potatoes, homestyle gravy and 320 calories. marie callender's. it's time to savor. ♪ ♪ [ male announcer ] while you're getting ready for the holidays, we're getting ready for you. tis the season. for food, for family, and now, something extra -- for you. >>neil: a strike that ships down most of the los angeles and long beach port complex for a lot of crucial ships entering the 7th day. it is a serious cause for alarm as in "santa claus." the longer it stays on the ship the less likely it lands on santa's sleigh. explain this. >>guest: right our biggest c
if it happened that way in 2010, if we take the senate, obama will then see the light. if you hold his feet to the fire they will feel the heat and see the light. i hope that is how it happens. >>neil: we will see what happens. do you see these? they will ruin your christmas all because unions are not budging and this stuff keeps happening, the "ship" is really going to hit the fan. [ male announcer ] kids grow up in no time... marie callender's turkey breast with stuffing is a...
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president obama said it's not the time to sit down. that essentially these gothss are getting hammered out behind the scenes. you had the white house congressional holiday party last night, and according to multiple sources who were there, house speaker john boehner and the president didn't even speak. the house speaker didn't get in line to shake hands with the president, to greet him. i have spoken to sources within his office who say there were a lot of people there and he sees the president all the time, but it's a sign that these negotiations at least at their top levels have come to a bit of a stand still and that is something that is causing a lot of people concern tonight. >> it's a shame he isn't offer that courtesy to the president. the president has sate the current proposal is unbalanced, but with speaker boehner now being attacked by people within his own caucus, as you know, does this not suggest he probably won't be able to do any better, and i guess that must mean we're going to get to the end of the year and go over th
president obama said it's not the time to sit down. that essentially these gothss are getting hammered out behind the scenes. you had the white house congressional holiday party last night, and according to multiple sources who were there, house speaker john boehner and the president didn't even speak. the house speaker didn't get in line to shake hands with the president, to greet him. i have spoken to sources within his office who say there were a lot of people there and he sees the president...
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president obama did win the election. you know, an event has happened as part of the many months where the public comes down on this. >> luke russert, john boehner did yesterday come out with their proposal, the house proposal. is that a nonstarter or move the ball a little bit? >> i would say it's a nonstarter for the white house, but it moves the ball a little bit in the sense it gives us an idea of what the house gop conference would be willing to accept and that is really to put it in place, caps, specific numbers, that could be worked on next year. essentially you're going to bank specific things the white house would give. perhaps an increase in the medicare age. perhaps a change in the cpi in terms of how social security is doled out. the idea that's what the plan would possibly look like. that was a movement more towards the center. as president obama said it's unacceptable. when i was walking over here i spoke to a senior republican senator and he pretty much said look, we accept that eventually these rates on th
president obama did win the election. you know, an event has happened as part of the many months where the public comes down on this. >> luke russert, john boehner did yesterday come out with their proposal, the house proposal. is that a nonstarter or move the ball a little bit? >> i would say it's a nonstarter for the white house, but it moves the ball a little bit in the sense it gives us an idea of what the house gop conference would be willing to accept and that is really to put...
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president obama was back at it campaign-style. went to the home of one middle class family in virginia, saying if the middle class tax cuts expire when the deadline hits it will cost the family an equivalent of a month's rent. meanwhile, john boehner started the talks after a standoff that lasted almost a week. then there was the surprise that rocked the capital today. south carolina conservative, jim demint, a hero to many, is retiring next month. nbc's david gregory, the moderator of "meet the press," has more on the surprise announcement. >> reporter: about four years early, a lot of people thought it would happen by 2017, but not at this point. in his term, demint was somebody who turbo-charged the tea party movement. he told me he would like to see the party really adopt more of these tea party ideas. that really didn't happen. there were more internal fights. he did have success in fielding candidates and also failed. he said they didn't do enough to establish what the party was for. he is going to try to be a force behind t
president obama was back at it campaign-style. went to the home of one middle class family in virginia, saying if the middle class tax cuts expire when the deadline hits it will cost the family an equivalent of a month's rent. meanwhile, john boehner started the talks after a standoff that lasted almost a week. then there was the surprise that rocked the capital today. south carolina conservative, jim demint, a hero to many, is retiring next month. nbc's david gregory, the moderator of...
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we have zero dark 30, the movie, the critic laud for it lauds obama. will we get a obama film? maybe if they make president bush president again. we can't blame susan rice because she is black. insidious racism perpetrated by white lib who see skin color instead of achievement. go after clapper. a white male, no one cares about him. will that satisfy chris ma chews? they no longer speak truth to power. only thing is the what they spring from, a clown car with those who can stare at dead americans and say ahh. i've never seen so many hacks try to kill a story. if life was an obama dinner party, benghazi is the smelly homeless guy everyone wants to bounce. dana, this is your favorite story, as mine. how can the media continue ignoring this? will they? 'canes yes. >> greg: good answer. okay, eric? >> dana: but i do think because of this story there will be a couple of things that happen. one will be that rice will not be named secretary of state. and two is i hope and you saw op ed in the "wall street journal" today about security at diplomatic missions around the world. they have
we have zero dark 30, the movie, the critic laud for it lauds obama. will we get a obama film? maybe if they make president bush president again. we can't blame susan rice because she is black. insidious racism perpetrated by white lib who see skin color instead of achievement. go after clapper. a white male, no one cares about him. will that satisfy chris ma chews? they no longer speak truth to power. only thing is the what they spring from, a clown car with those who can stare at dead...
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so what if you lose access to obama? you know why people-- the american people don't care if a reporter is not going to have access to the obama administration because what's coming back as a result of having that privileged, powerful access is this lack of transparency. it's more confusion. it's more uncertainty and it's lies! so why in the world would a reporter be concerned about getting more of that fed to them, those lies, the uncertainty, the murky answers to so many questions being asked. i wouldn't care about having that access. you know what the result is. >> i am with you. look what has happen in the benghazi investigation. state department did a conference call and conveniently left fox news off when they wanted to brief them the day before their capitol -- their people went to capitol hill. the fbi had a briefing and fox news was left out. and who didn't get the memo? fox news. but the other news organizations will eventually give it to us. that's theirey of it. they are trying to fiduciary fox because we dar
so what if you lose access to obama? you know why people-- the american people don't care if a reporter is not going to have access to the obama administration because what's coming back as a result of having that privileged, powerful access is this lack of transparency. it's more confusion. it's more uncertainty and it's lies! so why in the world would a reporter be concerned about getting more of that fed to them, those lies, the uncertainty, the murky answers to so many questions being...
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now it is president obama. let's listen. >> we have emerged not yet where we need to be, but we certainly have made progress. the reason we have made progress in part is because of the outstanding management and productivity and gains and efficiencies that you have been able to achieve in each and every one of your companies. i have said this to some of the small groups, let me repeat it to the large groups, i am passionately rooting for your success. if the companies in this room are doing well, then, small businesses and medium size businesses up and down the chain are doing well. if companies in this room are doing well, then, folks get jobs, consumers get confidence and we will be able to compete around the world. now, the good news is, despite the extraordinary challenges we have seen over the last four years, there is progress in some key sectors of our economy. we have seen housing finally begin to bounce back for the first time. that has an enormous ripple effect throughout the economy. many of you, ove
now it is president obama. let's listen. >> we have emerged not yet where we need to be, but we certainly have made progress. the reason we have made progress in part is because of the outstanding management and productivity and gains and efficiencies that you have been able to achieve in each and every one of your companies. i have said this to some of the small groups, let me repeat it to the large groups, i am passionately rooting for your success. if the companies in this room are...
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obama insisting they go up, boehner insisting they don't. >> listen, this is not a game. jobs are on the line. the american economy is on the line. this is a moment for adult leadership. >> reporter: and taxes aren't the only sticking point. republicans are demanding the president come forward with a plan to limit spending on medicare and social security, something many democrats say is just not acceptable. >> i didn't have my own card with me. jill wouldn't let me have one. >> reporter: vice president biden got into the act today, too, taking a break from christmas shopping and snacking at costco to urge congress to extend middle class tax cuts. >> i think it's important congress acts now. i mean, right now. >> reporter: can mitt romney, with all his business experience, play a role on brokering a deal? well, don't count on it, diane. the president did not ask for his help today and the two simply agreed to keep in touch. and for now, nothing more. >> all right, thank you, jonathan karl. >>> and now, we move onto two towns that had reason to rejoice today. two tickets wo
obama insisting they go up, boehner insisting they don't. >> listen, this is not a game. jobs are on the line. the american economy is on the line. this is a moment for adult leadership. >> reporter: and taxes aren't the only sticking point. republicans are demanding the president come forward with a plan to limit spending on medicare and social security, something many democrats say is just not acceptable. >> i didn't have my own card with me. jill wouldn't let me have one....
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this was tom cole on sunday. >> only obama can fix entitlements. democrat versus democrat fight over entitlement which mirrors their fighting over taxes. a response to an argument that was starting before former adviser steve ratner and minnesota democratic congressman keith ellison with near glee. there is no real choice about that. we're clear social security is off the table. this is, to me, the much more interesting debate between tom and dan. >> you want republicans arguing. both sides are also battling for control of the debt ceiling which may represent the republicans' greatest point of leverage in these budget talks. goo the speaker of the house says that's a nonstarter. >> silliness. congress will never give up the power. i've made it clear to the president. we need cuts in reform greater than the increase in the debt limit. >> bottom line, you've got to put a detailed plan on the table that the white house ends up agreeing to some of it, rejects some of it in the same way the white house is arguably overplaying their hand on taxes. the qu
this was tom cole on sunday. >> only obama can fix entitlements. democrat versus democrat fight over entitlement which mirrors their fighting over taxes. a response to an argument that was starting before former adviser steve ratner and minnesota democratic congressman keith ellison with near glee. there is no real choice about that. we're clear social security is off the table. this is, to me, the much more interesting debate between tom and dan. >> you want republicans arguing....